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"Over-Processing Lesbian™ stage" - 😂. Oh, how I know this stage well. And yes, totally agree with you on the questions of what counts as queer, or more relevantly, how y'all define queerness in context of this project. This post is just so rich, I want other readers to comment and further the conversation (don't make me the sole Reply Guy, please).

- 100% agree that The Muppets are QUEER, baby!

- Forced closeting: a frustrating tautology when the same power brokers who force the closeting (lest the queer individuals lose their livelihood or LIVES) also say that these folks are not queer enough because the evidence is thin that the same-sex person they lived with for decades is more than a friend.

- The flip side of that for me is Queering the Non-Queers/those who played lez. I understand what you mean by identifying with core qualities of characters they play, but can we go beyond 'play lez' to 'real lez'? (cough* Cate *cough)

- The contrasting stereotypical qualities that make queer icons for gay men vs lesbians, e.g., camp/drama vs strong/sarcastic, which are definitely tied to gender roles. Also how stereotypical gay men icons are het women, is there an analog for dykes (Leonardo DiCaprio in Titanic)? Personally, I don't think we need any such thing.

But back to y'all: it's your project, you get to define what is queer enough for you.

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